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“Understanding” India




         Jon Terry
      October 26, 2009
Agenda

   Modern India

   The Other India

   Communicating With India
Why Should You Care?
  India   Matters a Lot Now
    Western companies do a lot of   sourcing with India now
    That will   continue and grow


  India Will    Matter a Lot More Later
    China &  India joining US as economic leaders
    India’s population still growing - fast



  You   Should Learn as Much as You Can
Demographics Point East
The Opposite is Also True …
   Today’s talk is focused on business. Really
    understanding India includes culture, music,
    movies, religion, history, geography, etc., etc.
   This is only a 90 minute talk. It can only hit the
    high notes even about business
   You will never meet the “average Indian”. Beware
    of assuming generalizations apply to individuals
Modern India
Epitome of “Flat World” Success

   Second most populous country(1.1 billion)
   Most populous democracy by far
   One of world’s best performing economies
     12th largest by market exchange rates
     4th largest by Purchasing Power Parity (PPP)

   Middle class quadrupled to 250m since 1990
   1% of poor cross poverty line ($1/day) per year
Consistent High Growth, Even Now

                                          India's Real GDP Growth Rate

                    10
                     9
% Real GDP Growth




                     8
                     7
                     6
                     5
                     4
                     3
                     2
                     1
                     0
                         2000   2001   2002   2003   2004      2005   2006   2007   2008   2009
                                                            Year
Joining the US and China at the Top
Indian Exports Surging

  Merchandise
    Exports           Doubled from $53bn 2002 to $103bn 2006



 Service Exports
                      Doubled from $29.6bn 2003 to $60.6bn 2006



 Goods/ Services
Exports as share of   Rose from 11.6% 1999 to 20.5% 2005
      GDP
Foreign Direct Investment Soaring
India Churning Out Tech Grads
1,522 degree-granting engineering colleges
   Annual   student intake of 582,000
Indian Institutes of Technology
   28,000   graduates per year
Indian Institutes of Management
   3,000   graduates per year
Infosys Training Campus
   50,000   graduates per year
Indian Firms Going Global
Information Technology / BPO   Automobiles
     Infosys, WIPRO, TCS           Tata


Telecommunications             Film Industry
     Reliance                      Bollywood


Pharmaceuticals
     Dr Reddy’s, Ranbaxy
World Coming to India for Care
   450,000 Medical Tourists came to India in 2007
     Projected value of   $2 billion by 2012
   Very High Quality at Very Low Prices
     Heart bypass in US $95,000, in India $10,000
      including airfare, hotel, and treatment
     Apollo, Fortis, Max, Wockhardt building US quality
      hospitals co-branded by Harvard, Johns Hopkins
   Narayana Hrudayalaya
     1,000bed heart hospital, 50-60 surgeries/day
     Telemed links to 54 sites in India, SW Asia, & Africa
Bangalore is Kind of Like Home
Neon, Neon Everywhere
You See Familiar Faces
Are They Learning About US?
The Other India
Most Indians Still Poor




4th Largest Economy, but 168th GDP per capita
Modern India is an Oasis
Cows Instead of Cars
Forty Years of Missed Opportunity




    GDP of India vs. Korea as percent of US GDP
License Raj, “Hindu” Rate of Growth

   Labor intensive production restricted to small firms,
    less than $100,000 in PP&E, in 325 product categories
    including clothing, shoes, toys, and furniture
   Big businesses and MNCs limited to few industries.
    IBM, Coke, and others forced out
   Permission needed for M&A’s, expansion, new products.
    Projects more than $2.5 million needed cabinet OK
   90% of banks nationalized. Reserve requirements
    reached 53% of deposits. 40% of lending for small firms
   Under Indira Gandhi GDP growth averaged 3.2%
Poverty Improving But Still Serious
Insufficient Healthcare Investment
Life Expectancy Still Low

                80.9                      82.5
   79.8
                              71.6                69.7
                                                              63.7    64.6        63.1        62.6
                                                                                                                   55.8

                                                                                                       42.8




   Norway      Australia      Sri Lanka   China   Indonesia   India   Pakistan   Bangladesh   Nepal   Mozambique   Niger
According to data from 2005




                                                                                         27
Women Still Dying in Childbirth
                                                                     830                      Maternal mortality Rate (per 100,000) 2005




                                                                                                                570



                                                      450



                                                                                   320




                                         45                                                        58
                                                                                                                               N.A

                                       China          India         Nepal        Pakistan      Sri Lanka    Bangladesh South Asia


Source: United Nations Development Programme (UNDP), Human Development Report 2007-08
                                                                                                                   28
NA: Not available. Figures shown for India are at variance with the official figures of the office of Registrar General on India (RGI) for Maternal Mortality
Rate and Infant Mortality Rate. Data shown in the tables are as per the methodology and adjustments made by UNDP
Infants Also Dying at High Rates

                                           Infant Mortality Rate



                        35


                        30
# deaths/1,000 births




                        25


                        20


                        15


                        10


                        5


                        0
                             South Korea        U.S.                China   India

                                                          Country
Too Many in Agriculture
65.42


                                                                56.64
                                                                                                                                 52.06




                                                                               12.13                                                            12.9                 12.62
               11.27                                                                                 11.2
                                                          9.1                                                             9.16                                                          9.24
                                     6.98                                                                                                                     5.57
                                                                                              4.44          4.06                                                             4.61
                              2.56          2.88                                                                                                                                    2
        0.66           0.34                        0.78                 0.67           0.34                        1.36                  0.63          0.35



                              1983                                                      1999-2000                                                        2004-05

   Agriculture                                             Mining                                                  Manufacturing
   Electricity, Water etc.                                 Construction                                            Trade, Hotels & Resturants
   Transport, Shortage & Communication                     Financial Services                                      Community Services



Source: Various rounds of NSSO survey on employment and unemployment/Planning Commission
A Difficult Place to Do Business
Labor Laws Keep Firms Inefficient

 Firms over 100 workers can’t layoff even
  under bankruptcy
 3 weeks written notice to change any working
  conditions
 Laws apply to only 10% of the workforce, yet
  discourages hiring new workers.
 Keeps companies small – of 42m companies
  only 1.4% employ more than 10 people.
 88% of labor force informal sector: produces
  only 44% of GDP
Trade Too Difficult
 Exporters need 258 signatures and 118
  copies of required paperwork. 22 hours to
  do data entry for required information.
 Port / Airport Facilities and Procedures

   Shipping: Mumbai, exporting 3-5 days
    compared to 18 hour international norm
   Air freight: New Delhi, exporting 2.5
    days / importing 15 days compared to 12
    hour international norm
Infrastructure Constrains Growth

   Electricity unreliable, 35% stolen
   Rural road building limited to $1m contracts.
Literacy Rate Lags
Conflict Troubles Much of Country
Political Violence Claims Thousands
           2007        Civilians   Security Force   Terrorists   Total
                                     Personnel
 Jammu & Kashmir          164           121            492       777
 Andhra Pradesh           55             0              0         55
 Arunachal Pradesh        0              0              12        12
 Assam                   269             19            149       437
 Manipur                  150           40             218       408
 Meghalaya                4              1              13        18
 Nagaland                 20             0             88         108
 Punjab                   7              0              0         7
 Rajasthan                2              0              0         2
 Tripura                  10             5              21        36
 Left-wing Extremism     240            218            192       650
 Haryana                  68             0              0         68
 Tamil Nadu               5              0              0         5
 Uttar Pradesh            15             0              0         15
 Total                   1009           404            1185      2598
What does this mean?
   India is the modern country described in the
    first section of this presentation with a bright
    present and even brighter future
   But it is still the other, older India with a lot of
    serious problems to solve.
   Respect Indians for what they have
    accomplished in a very short time
   Understand they may see things very differently
    because they come from a different background
Communicating with India
Who are we talking about?
   Indians living in the US do adapt - to a degree
   Indians visiting the US may not
   Eating Pizza Hut doesn’t make you American
   They go home to India
   Once again, be careful of generalizations
Measuring Cultural Differences
The GLOBE survey
 Scientifically-designed, controlled survey

 10 years

 17,000 managers

     Asked   to describe their company culture
   62 societal cultures
     Including   India and the US
Comparing US & Indian Culture
                                                   Institutional Collectivism
                                                             6

                                                            5
               Humane Orientation                                                          Group Collectivism

                                                            4

                                                            3

                                                            2

 Uncertainty Avoidance                                      1                                           Gender Egalitarianism


                                                            0




         Future Orientation                                                                        Assertiveness




                                                                                                                US        India
                         Performance Orientation                                Power Distance
Key GLOBE Metrics
Group Collectivism +28%
 The degree to which individuals express (and

  should express) pride, loyalty, and cohesiveness
  in their organizations or families.
Assertiveness -14%
 The degree to which individuals are (and should

  be) assertive, confrontational, and aggressive in
  their relationships with others.
Key GLOBE Metrics
Power Distance +10%
 The degree to which members of a collective

  expect (and should expect) power to be
  distributed equally.
Gender Egalitarianism -7%
 The degree to which a collective minimizes (and

  should minimize) gender inequality.
To Save Face, You Can’t
   Openly disagree with a superior
   Publically correct a superior
   Criticize someone or their idea directly
   Directly challenge another’s statement
   Say that something requested is not possible
   Admit lack of understanding
   Admit failure
   Ask for help
The Indian Yes
   “Yes” by itself just means “Uh huh, I hear you”
   Beware head movements
   True agreement will always be more than “Yes”
   Indians want to agree so, when they do it is
    enthusiastic and whole hearted
Not “No”, Just Not “Yes”
   Absence of Yes
   No-response
   Changing the Subject
   Postponing an Answer
   Repeating the Question
   Asking what YOU want
   A qualified response
Suggesting Bad News
   You won’t hear “We are going to miss the date”.
    You may hear “This is an aggressive schedule”
   You won’t hear “That’s not possible”. You may
    hear “That might be possible”
   You won’t hear “I need help”. You may hear “This
    task is taking longer than I expected.”
   You won’t hear “That’s a bad idea”. You may hear
    “That’s interesting. I like X part of the idea”
This Is Not Evasive
   Indians are not avoiding conflict, just direct
    conflict
   Indians are not trying to mislead
   They are being direct - in their way that another
    Indian will clearly understand.
What Can You Do?
   Be sure you REALLY got agreement
   Listen for subtle implications of difficulty
   Find ways to ask for feedback privately
   Consider suggesting your own concerns or
    questions to elicit theirs
   Keep learning to increase understanding
Continued Learning
   The World is Flat, Thomas Friedman
   The Post-American World, Fareed Zakaria
   India: The Emerging Giany, Arvind Panagariya
   Speaking of India, Craig Storti
   In Spite of the Gods, Edward Luce
   Economist.com, search India’s Economy
“Understanding” India




           PM Forum
   Jon Terry & Michael Garbus
        October 26, 2009
Appendix
GLOBE Metrics
Future Orientation
 The extent to which individuals engage (and

  should engage) in future-oriented behaviors
  such as delaying gratification, planning, and
  investing in the future.
Humane Orientation
 The degree to which a collective encourages and
  rewards ( and should encourage and reward)
  individuals for being fair, altruistic, generous,
  caring, and kind to others.
GLOBE Metrics
Institutional Collectivism
 The degree to which organizational and societal

  institutional practices encourage and reward
  (and should encourage and reward) collective
  distribution of resources and collective action.
Performance Orientation
 The degree to which a collective encourages and
  rewards (and should encourage and reward)
  group members for performance improvement
  and excellence.
GLOBE Metrics
Uncertainty Avoidance
 The extent to which a society, organization, or

  group relies (and should rely) on social norms,
  rules, and procedures to alleviate
  unpredictability of future events. The greater
  the desire to avoid uncertainty, the more people
  seek orderliness, consistency, structure, formal
  procedures and laws to cover situations in their
  daily lives.

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Understanding India

  • 1. “Understanding” India Jon Terry October 26, 2009
  • 2. Agenda  Modern India  The Other India  Communicating With India
  • 3. Why Should You Care?  India Matters a Lot Now  Western companies do a lot of sourcing with India now  That will continue and grow  India Will Matter a Lot More Later  China & India joining US as economic leaders  India’s population still growing - fast  You Should Learn as Much as You Can
  • 5. The Opposite is Also True …  Today’s talk is focused on business. Really understanding India includes culture, music, movies, religion, history, geography, etc., etc.  This is only a 90 minute talk. It can only hit the high notes even about business  You will never meet the “average Indian”. Beware of assuming generalizations apply to individuals
  • 7. Epitome of “Flat World” Success  Second most populous country(1.1 billion)  Most populous democracy by far  One of world’s best performing economies  12th largest by market exchange rates  4th largest by Purchasing Power Parity (PPP)  Middle class quadrupled to 250m since 1990  1% of poor cross poverty line ($1/day) per year
  • 8. Consistent High Growth, Even Now India's Real GDP Growth Rate 10 9 % Real GDP Growth 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 Year
  • 9. Joining the US and China at the Top
  • 10. Indian Exports Surging Merchandise Exports Doubled from $53bn 2002 to $103bn 2006 Service Exports Doubled from $29.6bn 2003 to $60.6bn 2006 Goods/ Services Exports as share of Rose from 11.6% 1999 to 20.5% 2005 GDP
  • 12. India Churning Out Tech Grads 1,522 degree-granting engineering colleges  Annual student intake of 582,000 Indian Institutes of Technology  28,000 graduates per year Indian Institutes of Management  3,000 graduates per year Infosys Training Campus  50,000 graduates per year
  • 13. Indian Firms Going Global Information Technology / BPO Automobiles  Infosys, WIPRO, TCS  Tata Telecommunications Film Industry  Reliance  Bollywood Pharmaceuticals  Dr Reddy’s, Ranbaxy
  • 14. World Coming to India for Care  450,000 Medical Tourists came to India in 2007  Projected value of $2 billion by 2012  Very High Quality at Very Low Prices  Heart bypass in US $95,000, in India $10,000 including airfare, hotel, and treatment  Apollo, Fortis, Max, Wockhardt building US quality hospitals co-branded by Harvard, Johns Hopkins  Narayana Hrudayalaya  1,000bed heart hospital, 50-60 surgeries/day  Telemed links to 54 sites in India, SW Asia, & Africa
  • 15. Bangalore is Kind of Like Home
  • 18. Are They Learning About US?
  • 20. Most Indians Still Poor 4th Largest Economy, but 168th GDP per capita
  • 21. Modern India is an Oasis
  • 23. Forty Years of Missed Opportunity GDP of India vs. Korea as percent of US GDP
  • 24. License Raj, “Hindu” Rate of Growth  Labor intensive production restricted to small firms, less than $100,000 in PP&E, in 325 product categories including clothing, shoes, toys, and furniture  Big businesses and MNCs limited to few industries. IBM, Coke, and others forced out  Permission needed for M&A’s, expansion, new products. Projects more than $2.5 million needed cabinet OK  90% of banks nationalized. Reserve requirements reached 53% of deposits. 40% of lending for small firms  Under Indira Gandhi GDP growth averaged 3.2%
  • 25. Poverty Improving But Still Serious
  • 27. Life Expectancy Still Low 80.9 82.5 79.8 71.6 69.7 63.7 64.6 63.1 62.6 55.8 42.8 Norway Australia Sri Lanka China Indonesia India Pakistan Bangladesh Nepal Mozambique Niger According to data from 2005 27
  • 28. Women Still Dying in Childbirth 830 Maternal mortality Rate (per 100,000) 2005 570 450 320 45 58 N.A China India Nepal Pakistan Sri Lanka Bangladesh South Asia Source: United Nations Development Programme (UNDP), Human Development Report 2007-08 28 NA: Not available. Figures shown for India are at variance with the official figures of the office of Registrar General on India (RGI) for Maternal Mortality Rate and Infant Mortality Rate. Data shown in the tables are as per the methodology and adjustments made by UNDP
  • 29. Infants Also Dying at High Rates Infant Mortality Rate 35 30 # deaths/1,000 births 25 20 15 10 5 0 South Korea U.S. China India Country
  • 30. Too Many in Agriculture 65.42 56.64 52.06 12.13 12.9 12.62 11.27 11.2 9.1 9.16 9.24 6.98 5.57 4.44 4.06 4.61 2.56 2.88 2 0.66 0.34 0.78 0.67 0.34 1.36 0.63 0.35 1983 1999-2000 2004-05 Agriculture Mining Manufacturing Electricity, Water etc. Construction Trade, Hotels & Resturants Transport, Shortage & Communication Financial Services Community Services Source: Various rounds of NSSO survey on employment and unemployment/Planning Commission
  • 31. A Difficult Place to Do Business
  • 32. Labor Laws Keep Firms Inefficient  Firms over 100 workers can’t layoff even under bankruptcy  3 weeks written notice to change any working conditions  Laws apply to only 10% of the workforce, yet discourages hiring new workers.  Keeps companies small – of 42m companies only 1.4% employ more than 10 people.  88% of labor force informal sector: produces only 44% of GDP
  • 33. Trade Too Difficult  Exporters need 258 signatures and 118 copies of required paperwork. 22 hours to do data entry for required information.  Port / Airport Facilities and Procedures  Shipping: Mumbai, exporting 3-5 days compared to 18 hour international norm  Air freight: New Delhi, exporting 2.5 days / importing 15 days compared to 12 hour international norm
  • 34. Infrastructure Constrains Growth  Electricity unreliable, 35% stolen  Rural road building limited to $1m contracts.
  • 37. Political Violence Claims Thousands 2007 Civilians Security Force Terrorists Total Personnel Jammu & Kashmir 164 121 492 777 Andhra Pradesh 55 0 0 55 Arunachal Pradesh 0 0 12 12 Assam 269 19 149 437 Manipur 150 40 218 408 Meghalaya 4 1 13 18 Nagaland 20 0 88 108 Punjab 7 0 0 7 Rajasthan 2 0 0 2 Tripura 10 5 21 36 Left-wing Extremism 240 218 192 650 Haryana 68 0 0 68 Tamil Nadu 5 0 0 5 Uttar Pradesh 15 0 0 15 Total 1009 404 1185 2598
  • 38. What does this mean?  India is the modern country described in the first section of this presentation with a bright present and even brighter future  But it is still the other, older India with a lot of serious problems to solve.  Respect Indians for what they have accomplished in a very short time  Understand they may see things very differently because they come from a different background
  • 40. Who are we talking about?  Indians living in the US do adapt - to a degree  Indians visiting the US may not  Eating Pizza Hut doesn’t make you American  They go home to India  Once again, be careful of generalizations
  • 41. Measuring Cultural Differences The GLOBE survey  Scientifically-designed, controlled survey  10 years  17,000 managers  Asked to describe their company culture  62 societal cultures  Including India and the US
  • 42. Comparing US & Indian Culture Institutional Collectivism 6 5 Humane Orientation Group Collectivism 4 3 2 Uncertainty Avoidance 1 Gender Egalitarianism 0 Future Orientation Assertiveness US India Performance Orientation Power Distance
  • 43. Key GLOBE Metrics Group Collectivism +28%  The degree to which individuals express (and should express) pride, loyalty, and cohesiveness in their organizations or families. Assertiveness -14%  The degree to which individuals are (and should be) assertive, confrontational, and aggressive in their relationships with others.
  • 44. Key GLOBE Metrics Power Distance +10%  The degree to which members of a collective expect (and should expect) power to be distributed equally. Gender Egalitarianism -7%  The degree to which a collective minimizes (and should minimize) gender inequality.
  • 45. To Save Face, You Can’t  Openly disagree with a superior  Publically correct a superior  Criticize someone or their idea directly  Directly challenge another’s statement  Say that something requested is not possible  Admit lack of understanding  Admit failure  Ask for help
  • 46. The Indian Yes  “Yes” by itself just means “Uh huh, I hear you”  Beware head movements  True agreement will always be more than “Yes”  Indians want to agree so, when they do it is enthusiastic and whole hearted
  • 47. Not “No”, Just Not “Yes”  Absence of Yes  No-response  Changing the Subject  Postponing an Answer  Repeating the Question  Asking what YOU want  A qualified response
  • 48. Suggesting Bad News  You won’t hear “We are going to miss the date”. You may hear “This is an aggressive schedule”  You won’t hear “That’s not possible”. You may hear “That might be possible”  You won’t hear “I need help”. You may hear “This task is taking longer than I expected.”  You won’t hear “That’s a bad idea”. You may hear “That’s interesting. I like X part of the idea”
  • 49. This Is Not Evasive  Indians are not avoiding conflict, just direct conflict  Indians are not trying to mislead  They are being direct - in their way that another Indian will clearly understand.
  • 50. What Can You Do?  Be sure you REALLY got agreement  Listen for subtle implications of difficulty  Find ways to ask for feedback privately  Consider suggesting your own concerns or questions to elicit theirs  Keep learning to increase understanding
  • 51. Continued Learning  The World is Flat, Thomas Friedman  The Post-American World, Fareed Zakaria  India: The Emerging Giany, Arvind Panagariya  Speaking of India, Craig Storti  In Spite of the Gods, Edward Luce  Economist.com, search India’s Economy
  • 52. “Understanding” India PM Forum Jon Terry & Michael Garbus October 26, 2009
  • 54. GLOBE Metrics Future Orientation  The extent to which individuals engage (and should engage) in future-oriented behaviors such as delaying gratification, planning, and investing in the future. Humane Orientation  The degree to which a collective encourages and rewards ( and should encourage and reward) individuals for being fair, altruistic, generous, caring, and kind to others.
  • 55. GLOBE Metrics Institutional Collectivism  The degree to which organizational and societal institutional practices encourage and reward (and should encourage and reward) collective distribution of resources and collective action. Performance Orientation  The degree to which a collective encourages and rewards (and should encourage and reward) group members for performance improvement and excellence.
  • 56. GLOBE Metrics Uncertainty Avoidance  The extent to which a society, organization, or group relies (and should rely) on social norms, rules, and procedures to alleviate unpredictability of future events. The greater the desire to avoid uncertainty, the more people seek orderliness, consistency, structure, formal procedures and laws to cover situations in their daily lives.

Editor's Notes

  • #8: In 1990, India had 5 million phone lines in total. Today it adds 5 million per month.
  • #9: By comparison, US grew only 1.1% in 2008 and is negative so far in 2009At this pace, national wealth doubles about every 10 years.
  • #12: Back office of the world: If you are in IT, You are in IndiaCisco, Msft, Philips, IBM, GE HealthcareCisco has made Bangalore their second headquarters with half their executive staffIBM has 80,000 employees in India
  • #13: Companies come to India for the highly-skilled, English speaking laborSlide background is one of the building on the Infosys campus. Many other giant training buildings
  • #14: Tata bought both Landrover and Jag, Tata Nano (world’s cheapest real family car)Bollywood sold 3.6 billion tickets worldwide in 2005 versus 2.6 billion for Hollywood movies
  • #26: Poverty means less than $1/dayPoverty rate in orissa and bihar >40%80% live on less than $2 per day = double
  • #27: TB, malaria, polio, dengue, diarrhea, still major killers. Think about effect of the flu in the US.Absenteeism up to 40% among government healthcare workers
  • #28: Poor access to health care, high childhood death rates still, high burden of infectious disease – diseases of povertyAmong the middle class and the wealthy, developing diseases of affluence: very high rates of cardiovascular mortality
  • #30: 60m malnourished children – 40% of world’s total
  • #31: 50% of population involved yet produces only 20% of GDPProfessional services 13% of GDP 1.2% of population employed
  • #32: Highly corrupt
  • #35: This is why every Indian IT campus has back-up power generation.
  • #36: highly variable between states (Kerala 90% lit rate, Bihar 47%)Enrollment in secondary education 36%Of 19-24 year olds,only 9% in college – constraint on ability for IT industry to take on more work.Education funding below level of sub-saharanafrica. 
  • #38: Mumbai 2008